Wednesday, July 06, 2005

'Anonymous'

Listen up.

I don't care what you say in the comments on my blog. If you wanna rip me and tell me to go read the Bible (5th comment down), that's fine. You've got the right to say whatever you want about me and my beliefs. That's part of the territory that comes with having this blog and a larger readership than I've ever had before.

But at least have the balls to sign your name after you comment. It's very childish to hide behind the 'anonymous' tag when you have the audacity to write things that you know will cause a stir.

Rip me.
Mock me.
Judge me.

I don't care.

But at least sign your name and stand behind what you say.

16 Comments:

Anonymous Elissa said...

Maybe they aren't judging her, just stating the fact of what she is.

July 06, 2005 2:50 AM  
Blogger PixieGirl said...

I'm sure Elissa knows her personally (as does the author of the article no doubt)and can accurately judge her character. Oh damn, there goes that word "Judge" again. Funny how the BIBLE says "Judge not lest YE BE JUDGED... Hats off to you Drew for making your point so well.

July 06, 2005 8:34 AM  
Anonymous debbi dunlap said...

(Drew, I sincerely apologize for the length of this response. Short-windedness is obviously not my strong suit, but despite my earnest effort, I couldn't distill it down more than this. I won't let it happen again. :)

Elissa, first--thank you for being bold enough to sign your name. This is not intended as an attack. Would you permit me to appeal to you to re-consider your comment for a moment?

Since you didn't specify, I would be wrong to assume you're coming from the standpoint of Christianity. However, from that vantage point, any reading of the New Testament would bear out the fact that Jesus was not a "name-caller."

True, he told the religious leaders of his day that they were white-washed graves and vipers. But he spoke those words with divine authority--as the ONLY one who could "see" into their hearts.

We, on the other hand, are seriously limited in that regard, and thus, cannot EVER know the inward motives and intents of someone else's outward behavior. (You may agree that we can hardly discern our own motives with honest assessment, most of the time.)

But may we discuss basic civility? Where is the human dignity and decency in (as you wrote) "stating the fact of what she is?" even if someone purports to know what is going on inside Jessica's mind and emotions?

I submit that there is no virtue in "stating the fact" of what someone is, even if we had the ability to KNOW "what someone is." That's. Just. Not. Nice. Sticks and stones DO hurt. Deeply.

I concede that there are, without a doubt, biblical guidelines for going to another believer for the purpose of rescue--NEVER condemnation.

Yet the "going" must happen--in 100% of our encounters--in a spirit of humility, gentleness, compassion, tenderness, mercy, and above all, diligent self-scrutiny. (If a searchlight could be beamed on ANY of our hearts, we would ALL be exposed as EQUALLY fallen,
"bent" creatures. No getting around this truth.)

Finally, I believe the only qualified candidate to speak into another's life is one who has earned a platform in said life. That is, someone who has faithfully loved, served, defended, encouraged, and
believed in that individual. Someone who has "washed her/his feet."

Not one whit of wiggle room do I see here for "telling it like it is," or "calling the shots like I see 'em," or even the dreaded, "Gotta be honest with ya' here sister, and tell you this in Christian love." Yech!

Perish the thought that anyone ever "states the fact" of what I am. I fear it would be too much for my soul to bear. God is a perfect Judge, He's on the job, and He's not taking applications for assistants.

Thanks for staying with me cause this is my last point. I came to Christ years ago because God revealed to me my utter sinfulness, and His perfect holiness.

But here's the best part Elissa--He drew me to Himself with His unending kindness.

I pray God blesses you today with His incomparable kindness. (And I genuinely pray the same for Jessica.)

D.D.
Jacksonville, FL

July 06, 2005 8:56 AM  
Blogger tory dolan said...

I agree with you Drew, about the whole "posting a name"... I love to have dialogue with people who believe differently than I do, but it's hard to converse with "anonymous". However, why start out your post with "douchebags"? I think it's such an ugly word... And in some respects, not that far off from people calling the females referred to as "sluts" - in my opinion. Again, you have the right to write whatever you want... It's your blog. But I think you might be able to make a very strong point without namecalling in return. Kinda defeats the purpose, you know? Just a thought...

July 06, 2005 9:50 AM  
Blogger thisdesertlife said...

Damn right, Drew.

July 06, 2005 11:08 AM  
Blogger dbrown said...

Tory

You're right. I had an emotional night yesterday, so when I read the 'go read the Bible' comment it set me off. Plus I use that word pretty freely so I forget sometimes that people find it offensive. All that combined with the frustration of dealing with a few unnamed people led to the post. However, it was all pretty tame considering what I REALLY wanted to write =)

But thanks Tory.

July 06, 2005 11:14 AM  
Blogger tory dolan said...

Totally understandable Drew... I know how that goes... I posted once on my blog while really emotional (the post entitled "Overwhelmed") and I received a comment from "anonymous" (anonymous seems to make it to a lot of blogs) saying that I wasn't really feeling the feelings I wrote about, that I sat down at the keyboard and got more and more dramatic until I finally went overboard. I responded with not the most mature answer, but it DEFINITELY was not what I REALLY wanted to say. So I totally understand where you're coming from... Just not a big fan of that word, that's all... So I thought I'd say something...Thanks for being cool about it.

Sorry you had a frustrating night, and that you had an even less encouraging post.
I hope your day gets better today, dude.

July 06, 2005 11:28 AM  
Anonymous scott said...

Drew,
You are very open minded and good hearted. Yes douchbags is a rough word, but other than that I dont think you stated any non-truths. Good for you for standing up for something you belive in even though it is a controversial thing. Laurie told me how awesome you were and its apparent in things like this. Keep on doing what you do. By the way, Garden State is not overrated.
-Scott

July 06, 2005 12:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

drew -

you would think that people would learn from what happened with L. sorry that people are giving you trouble. i dont understand why people hurt others, but as the way of this world i suppose.

a little word of advice to all ...
just be NICE! its not a complicated concept! :)

jenn (sunkisseed@aol.com)

July 06, 2005 5:57 PM  
Blogger Scott said...

Yeah, I agree, anonymous is a coward.

"‘The Resistance’ is calling for the video to be re-shot in taste, and an apology issued by Simpson “She took a classic like the Dukes of Hazzard, and Daisey Duke, and turned her into a slutty, stripper with a fetish for old men.” says Conner."

That's hilarious. Daisy Duke was just as raunchy as Simpson.

"Judge not lest ye be judged" has got to be the most misinterpreted verse in the bible. Every person judges, it's human nature and mandatory for following God. The bible commands us to flee from sexual immorality. How are we to flee from it if we are not able to judge whether or not a person is being sexually immoral?

One certainly doesn't need to know the condition of Jessica Simpson's heart or her emotions to see that she has her breasts displayed for my 7 year old son to see at the grocery store check out aisle. When we see such filth, we tell him "Frank flee from temptation like that, God thinks it's vile and disgusting."

That article is written by a lunatic and a charlatan who uses the name of God to propagandize his own morbid agenda. Hey, guess how I figured that out... I judged him!

Not judging is intellectual laziness. It's the acceptance of every person who claims truth, and leads to the debasing of God's word and his character.

Scott Robert Kunze

July 06, 2005 7:44 PM  
Anonymous debbi dunlap said...

Scott - you're speaking of two separate issues. Definitely protect your children. Yes. Teach them to recognize the "strange woman" described in Proverbs.

Don't skirt the fact that someone is dressed immodestly when it comes to nurturing those God has made you responsible for. (We have 10 kids and share your convictions wholeheartedly.)

But do you advocate believers writing columns to single out people for the purpose of calling them vile names (slut, whore)? And would you actually say (to your son, for example), as did the first commenter here that I initially repsonded to, "That, for a fact, is WHAT she is." As in, you KNOW the essence of her heart? She is defined as a slut.

Could she perhaps be deceived? Lukewarm? Or how about this: What if she's not regenerate at all? Where in Scripture are we called to judge those outside the family of God?

As I understand it, we pray for the lost, we do good unto them. We certainly don't alienate them with mean-spirited newsletters, etc.

That's all. Just my meanderings.

Blessings,
D.D.
Jax, FL

July 06, 2005 8:01 PM  
Anonymous debbi dunlap said...

P.S.

Scott K., as I re-read your 7:40 posting, I see that "that article" to which you refer must be the one Drew copied and pasted onto his blog entry. Doh.

I understood it better after a second reading. You clearly state that it's written by a lunatic with a morbid agenda.
10-4

I just believe discernment is VASTLY different than judgment.
D.D.

July 06, 2005 8:11 PM  
Blogger tory dolan said...

D.D. - Loved the last part of your post. I love how you wrote that we should pray for them, do good unto them, and not aliennate them with mean-spiritedness. Rock on, sista!

And as far as judging others Scott, I think that having good judgement and placing judgement on others are two different things. Just a thought.

Wow Drew... You hit a hot topic. Who knew you'd get so many comments! :)

July 06, 2005 8:15 PM  
Blogger Scott said...

As I understand it, we pray for the lost, we do good unto them. We certainly don't alienate them with mean-spirited newsletters, etc.

I love how you wrote that we should pray for them, do good unto them, and not aliennate them with mean-spiritedness. Rock on, sista!

Then the principle behind this rant should be love your neighbor or something of that sort. My main objection to all of this is to the misuse of Matthew 7, not the admonishment of those who hate in the name of God. It may be a matter of samantics, but God tells us enough times in other places to love one another. We don't need to change the meaning of certain verses in order to fit our theology.

And to be sure, the likes of Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, or Christina Aguilera are not just dangerous for my children; I certainly don't need to see such things.

And I must say I envy you, 10 kids? Whew! We've got three and they're the greatest joy in our lives, you're obviously blessed beyond anything I could imagine.

July 06, 2005 8:54 PM  
Anonymous debbi dunlap said...

Scott -

I genuinely appreciate your plainspokenness and your willingness to take a stand. I heartily second the "raunchy" observation.

And yes! to your admonition against torturing Scripture for the purpose of prooftexting. (Have always resisted the easy-believism, lay-on-the-floor-and-feel-your-feelings school of thought.)

Also, I think I (unintentionally) derailed us a bit with semantics. My bad. To recap, my (pastor) husband and I (women's counselor) have found, in parenting our quivering quiver-full (ages 7-26), that it's doggone hard to teach them the huge difference between the irrefutable, inescapable principles of church discipline as they apply to the "household of faith," and (on the other hand) being careful not to place unrealistic expectations on those who are walking in spiritual darkness, to "act" like Christians.

Now, doesn't that just muddy the waters?

Anyway, our children are, indeed, indescribable blessings-- surpassing treasures! Would have had more if we'd started earlier. Had #10 when I was 45. :)

You sound like a remarkable dad!

I want to express heartfelt thanks to God for Laurie's life--for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which are the incredibly neat folks I continue to discover on her "entry portal."

Fondly,
D.D.

July 06, 2005 9:32 PM  
Blogger Scott said...

my (pastor) husband and I (women's counselor) have found, in parenting our quivering quiver-full (ages 7-26), that it's doggone hard to teach them the huge difference between the irrefutable, inescapable principles of church discipline as they apply to the "household of faith," and (on the other hand) being careful not to place unrealistic expectations on those who are walking in spiritual darkness, to "act" like Christians.

Now, doesn't that just muddy the waters?


No, I think that's an incredibly insightful description of the struggle anyone who would attempt to raises children in, but not of this world would face.

(I think I unintentionally just quoted the title of a Christian life book, sorry)

July 06, 2005 10:07 PM  

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